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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia in confusing orange from UC Santa Cruz by m.y.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that wikipedia is great for looking up information that usually would be difficult to find, such as background information on a video game, or a description of a recent character in a novel.  In contrast to this though, I do agree that all important information regarding major historical events or information that if slightly incorrect can make all the difference should be checked with other sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that wikipedia is great for looking up information that usually would be difficult to find, such as background information on a video game, or a description of a recent character in a novel.  In contrast to this though, I do agree that all important information regarding major historical events or information that if slightly incorrect can make all the difference should be checked with other sources.</p>
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		<title>Comment on One Size Fits All In A Crisis by Tanya Delahaye</title>
		<link>http://www.badtke.com/blog/2007/07/27/one-size-fits-all-in-a-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanya Delahaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My aunt is friends with the family. This was pretty sad. And even worse, to think that it was just an accident, too.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Measuring Student Progress by Dave Badtke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Badtke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie,

Thanks for your comment. I agree that teaching creative and critical skills is what our society needs, but I wonder if these skills are what many in our society really want.

Liz Potter, in her Feminist Theory class at Mills College, suggested that K-12 instruction tends to focus on the training of enthusiastic surplus consumers: those willing to work at jobs they don&#039;t particularly like to get money to buy things they want that they don&#039;t really need. Perhaps I should add to this the need to stay in such jobs, especially in the service sector, if they provide health-care benefits.

In such a measure-it-and-it-will-get-better world, as defined by GE&#039;s Jack Welch, do we really believe that creative, critical skills will make our society better? GE, after all, brings good things to life.

In thinking about this, the idea that to be known something needs to be measured, I&#039;m reminded of Dickens&#039; Thomas Gradgrind in the second chapter, &quot;Murdering the Innocents,&quot; in his novel &quot;Hardtimes&quot;:

Thomas Gradgrind, sir. A man of realities. A man of fact and calculations. A man who proceeds upon the principle that two and two are four, and nothing over, and who is not to be talked into allowing for anything over. Thomas Gradgrind, sir -- peremptorily Thomas -- Thomas Gradgrind. With a rule and a pair of scales, and the multiplication table always in his pocket, sir, ready to weigh and measure any parcel of human nature, and tell you exactly what it comes to. It is a mere question of figures, a case simple arithmetic. You might hope to get some other nonsensical belief into the head of George Gradgrind, or Augustus Gradgrind or John Gradgrind, or Joseph Gradgrind (all suppositions, no existent persons), but into the head of Thomas Gradgrind -- no sir!

In such terms Mr. Gradgrind always mentally introduced himself, whether to his private circle of acquaintance, or to the public in general. In such terms, no doubt, substituting the words &#039;boys and girls&#039;, for &#039;sir&#039;, Thomas Gradgrind now presented Thomas Gradgrind to the little pitchers before him, who were to be filled so full of facts.

Indeed, as he eagerly sparkled at them from the cellarage before mentioned, he seemed a kind of cannon loaded to the muzzle with facts, and prepared to blow them clean out of the regions of childhood at one discharge. He seemed a galvanizing apparatus, too, charged with a grim mechanical substitute for the tender young imaginations that were to be stormed away.

&#039;Girl number twenty,&#039; said Mr. Gradgrind, squarely pointing with his square forefinger, &#039;I don&#039;t know that girl. Who is that girl?&#039;

&#039;Sissy Jupe, sir,&#039; explained number twenty, blushing, standing up, and curtseying.

&#039;Sissy is not a name,&#039; said Mr. Gradgrind. &#039;Don&#039;t call yourself Sissy. Call yourself Cecilia.&#039;

&#039;My father as calls me Sissy. sir,&#039; returned the young girl in a trembling voice, and with another curtsey.

&#039;Then he has no business to do it,&#039; said Mr. Gradgrind. &#039;Tell him he mustn&#039;t. Cecilia Jupe. Let me see. What is your father?&#039;

&#039;He belongs to the horse-riding, if you please, sir.&#039;

Mr. Gradgrind frowned, and waved off the objectionable calling with his hand.

&#039;We don&#039;t want to know anything about that, here. You mustn&#039;t tell us about that, here. Your father breaks horses, does he?&#039;

&#039;If you please, sir, when they can get any to break, they do break horses in the ring, sir.&#039;

&#039;You mustn&#039;t tell us about the ring, here. Very well, then Describe your father as a horsebreaker. He doctors sick horses, I dare say?&#039;

&#039;Oh yes, sir.&#039;

&#039;Very well, then. He is a veterinary surgeon, a farrier and horsebreaker. Give me your definition of a horse.&#039;

(Sissy Jupe thrown into the greatest alarm by this demand.)

&#039;Girl number twenty unable to define a horse!&#039; said Mr. Gradgrind, for the general behoof of all the little pitchers. &#039;Girl number twenty possessed of no facts, in reference to one of the commonest of animals! Some boy&#039;s definition of a horse. Bitzer, yours.&#039;

The square finger, moving here and there, lighted suddenly on Bitzer, perhaps because he chanced to sit in the same ray of sunlight which, darting in at one of the bare windows of the intensely whitewashed room, irradiated Sissy. For, the boys and girls sat on face of the inclined plane in two compact bodies, divided up the centre by a narrow interval; and Sissy, being at the corner of a row on the other side, came in for the beginning of a sunbeam, of which Bitzer, being at the comer of a row on the other side, a few rows in advance, caught the end. But, whereas the girl was dark-eyed and dark-haired, that she seemed to receive a deeper and more lustrous colour from the sun when it shone upon her, the boy was so light-eyed and light-haired that the self-same rays appeared to draw out of him what little colour he ever possessed. His cold eyes would hardly have been eyes, but for the short ends of lashes which, by bringing them into immediate contrast with something paler than themselves, expressed their form. His shortcropped hair might have been a mere continuation of the sandy freckles on his forehead and face. His skin was so unwholesomely deficient in the natural tinge, that he looked as though, if he were cut, he would bleed white.

&#039;Bitzer,&#039; said Thomas Gradgrind. &#039;Your definition of a horse.&#039;

&#039;Quadruped. Graminivorous. Forty teeth, namely twenty-four grinders, four eye-teeth, and twelve incisive. Sheds coat in the spring; in marshy countries, sheds hoofs, too. Hoofs hard, but requiring to be shod with iron. Age known by marks in mouth.&#039; Thus (and much more) Bitzer.

&#039;Now girl number twenty,&#039; said Mr. Gradgrind. &#039;You know what a horse is.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. I agree that teaching creative and critical skills is what our society needs, but I wonder if these skills are what many in our society really want.</p>
<p>Liz Potter, in her Feminist Theory class at Mills College, suggested that K-12 instruction tends to focus on the training of enthusiastic surplus consumers: those willing to work at jobs they don&#8217;t particularly like to get money to buy things they want that they don&#8217;t really need. Perhaps I should add to this the need to stay in such jobs, especially in the service sector, if they provide health-care benefits.</p>
<p>In such a measure-it-and-it-will-get-better world, as defined by GE&#8217;s Jack Welch, do we really believe that creative, critical skills will make our society better? GE, after all, brings good things to life.</p>
<p>In thinking about this, the idea that to be known something needs to be measured, I&#8217;m reminded of Dickens&#8217; Thomas Gradgrind in the second chapter, &#8220;Murdering the Innocents,&#8221; in his novel &#8220;Hardtimes&#8221;:</p>
<p>Thomas Gradgrind, sir. A man of realities. A man of fact and calculations. A man who proceeds upon the principle that two and two are four, and nothing over, and who is not to be talked into allowing for anything over. Thomas Gradgrind, sir &#8212; peremptorily Thomas &#8212; Thomas Gradgrind. With a rule and a pair of scales, and the multiplication table always in his pocket, sir, ready to weigh and measure any parcel of human nature, and tell you exactly what it comes to. It is a mere question of figures, a case simple arithmetic. You might hope to get some other nonsensical belief into the head of George Gradgrind, or Augustus Gradgrind or John Gradgrind, or Joseph Gradgrind (all suppositions, no existent persons), but into the head of Thomas Gradgrind &#8212; no sir!</p>
<p>In such terms Mr. Gradgrind always mentally introduced himself, whether to his private circle of acquaintance, or to the public in general. In such terms, no doubt, substituting the words &#8216;boys and girls&#8217;, for &#8217;sir&#8217;, Thomas Gradgrind now presented Thomas Gradgrind to the little pitchers before him, who were to be filled so full of facts.</p>
<p>Indeed, as he eagerly sparkled at them from the cellarage before mentioned, he seemed a kind of cannon loaded to the muzzle with facts, and prepared to blow them clean out of the regions of childhood at one discharge. He seemed a galvanizing apparatus, too, charged with a grim mechanical substitute for the tender young imaginations that were to be stormed away.</p>
<p>&#8216;Girl number twenty,&#8217; said Mr. Gradgrind, squarely pointing with his square forefinger, &#8216;I don&#8217;t know that girl. Who is that girl?&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;Sissy Jupe, sir,&#8217; explained number twenty, blushing, standing up, and curtseying.</p>
<p>&#8216;Sissy is not a name,&#8217; said Mr. Gradgrind. &#8216;Don&#8217;t call yourself Sissy. Call yourself Cecilia.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;My father as calls me Sissy. sir,&#8217; returned the young girl in a trembling voice, and with another curtsey.</p>
<p>&#8216;Then he has no business to do it,&#8217; said Mr. Gradgrind. &#8216;Tell him he mustn&#8217;t. Cecilia Jupe. Let me see. What is your father?&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;He belongs to the horse-riding, if you please, sir.&#8217;</p>
<p>Mr. Gradgrind frowned, and waved off the objectionable calling with his hand.</p>
<p>&#8216;We don&#8217;t want to know anything about that, here. You mustn&#8217;t tell us about that, here. Your father breaks horses, does he?&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;If you please, sir, when they can get any to break, they do break horses in the ring, sir.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;You mustn&#8217;t tell us about the ring, here. Very well, then Describe your father as a horsebreaker. He doctors sick horses, I dare say?&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;Oh yes, sir.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;Very well, then. He is a veterinary surgeon, a farrier and horsebreaker. Give me your definition of a horse.&#8217;</p>
<p>(Sissy Jupe thrown into the greatest alarm by this demand.)</p>
<p>&#8216;Girl number twenty unable to define a horse!&#8217; said Mr. Gradgrind, for the general behoof of all the little pitchers. &#8216;Girl number twenty possessed of no facts, in reference to one of the commonest of animals! Some boy&#8217;s definition of a horse. Bitzer, yours.&#8217;</p>
<p>The square finger, moving here and there, lighted suddenly on Bitzer, perhaps because he chanced to sit in the same ray of sunlight which, darting in at one of the bare windows of the intensely whitewashed room, irradiated Sissy. For, the boys and girls sat on face of the inclined plane in two compact bodies, divided up the centre by a narrow interval; and Sissy, being at the corner of a row on the other side, came in for the beginning of a sunbeam, of which Bitzer, being at the comer of a row on the other side, a few rows in advance, caught the end. But, whereas the girl was dark-eyed and dark-haired, that she seemed to receive a deeper and more lustrous colour from the sun when it shone upon her, the boy was so light-eyed and light-haired that the self-same rays appeared to draw out of him what little colour he ever possessed. His cold eyes would hardly have been eyes, but for the short ends of lashes which, by bringing them into immediate contrast with something paler than themselves, expressed their form. His shortcropped hair might have been a mere continuation of the sandy freckles on his forehead and face. His skin was so unwholesomely deficient in the natural tinge, that he looked as though, if he were cut, he would bleed white.</p>
<p>&#8216;Bitzer,&#8217; said Thomas Gradgrind. &#8216;Your definition of a horse.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;Quadruped. Graminivorous. Forty teeth, namely twenty-four grinders, four eye-teeth, and twelve incisive. Sheds coat in the spring; in marshy countries, sheds hoofs, too. Hoofs hard, but requiring to be shod with iron. Age known by marks in mouth.&#8217; Thus (and much more) Bitzer.</p>
<p>&#8216;Now girl number twenty,&#8217; said Mr. Gradgrind. &#8216;You know what a horse is.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Measuring Student Progress by Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.badtke.com/blog/2007/08/07/measuring-student-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, here, Dave.  Thanks for standing up for sanity in the grading systems of our schools.  Perhaps the schools should be graded, and that then factored into the student&#039;s GPA, which would give the colleges an idea that a higher grade at a lower graded school would equal a lower grade at a higher graded school.

Bottom line, to me, is that we need tests that reflect the learning taking place in more than just two categories (reading and math) and that will allow us to get back to the teaching of creative and critical skills which will serve our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, here, Dave.  Thanks for standing up for sanity in the grading systems of our schools.  Perhaps the schools should be graded, and that then factored into the student&#8217;s GPA, which would give the colleges an idea that a higher grade at a lower graded school would equal a lower grade at a higher graded school.</p>
<p>Bottom line, to me, is that we need tests that reflect the learning taking place in more than just two categories (reading and math) and that will allow us to get back to the teaching of creative and critical skills which will serve our society.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Chesil Beach by Ian McEwan is almost perfect by Sue Kibbe</title>
		<link>http://www.badtke.com/blog/2007/07/10/on-chesil-beach-by-ian-mcewan-is-almost-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Kibbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A pugnacious nature and manly pride (humiliation turned backwards), words not spoken, forgiveness not given, and total inexperience of life&#039;s forward motion, never-going-back-to-redo-that-scene essence. . . and everything is changed forever.  It is such a life lesson.  I totally agree with you, this novella is a gem!  McEwan&#039;s writing is so perfect, so seemingly effortless. (But I don&#039;t think they would have made it together past 1967, not really; hindsight blurs the harsh edges that would have severed their bond.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pugnacious nature and manly pride (humiliation turned backwards), words not spoken, forgiveness not given, and total inexperience of life&#8217;s forward motion, never-going-back-to-redo-that-scene essence. . . and everything is changed forever.  It is such a life lesson.  I totally agree with you, this novella is a gem!  McEwan&#8217;s writing is so perfect, so seemingly effortless. (But I don&#8217;t think they would have made it together past 1967, not really; hindsight blurs the harsh edges that would have severed their bond.)</p>
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